High School Considers 'Global Perspective'

Principal tells the school board the International Baccalaureate program would cost more, but prepare students better.

At a meeting of the Board of Education on Tuesday, principal Adam Fine formally proposed reintroducing the International Baccalaureate program.

The program works much like the Advanced Placement program which is currently in place at the school, but the focus of the IB program is what the International Baccalaureate Organization calls a “global perspective.”  

Fine explained that it is “A program really designed to deal with a number of issues, three of them being; inequality, complexity and diversity.”

He pointed out weaknesses in the current curriculum saying, “A lot of people can argue our regents tests are simple curriculum in nature and test your rote memory and not in-depth understanding that promotes critical thinking. These are very critical to the IB and at the IB’s core.”

Fine explained the importance of the program in an increasingly global world. “We’re just a mouse click away from people across the globe and it’s one of the big things that now factors into our children’s lives. It’s much different than when we went to school.”

Students who complete the IB curriculum would receive an IB diploma. Fine said that this number might be about 35 students initially and that he hoped the number would  increase.

If the program is implemented the number of AP courses would be decreased. Laura Anker Grossman, who is vice-president of the board, is a faculty member at State University of New York at Old Westbury, and holds a doctorate degree, said she has seen the benefit of the program at the university level and agreed that it prepares students better than the AP program.

“We’ve had students with IB credits and they’re stronger students.” Many other students show a severe deficit in writing ability. “I think that one of the major things of the IB diploma as opposed to AP courses is that it requires a writing intensive curriculum.”

Becoming an IB school is a “rather expensive application process," Fine said, adding that “$9,500 is paid per year of the application” and said that “the application process is between two and three years.”

Charles Soriano, the assistant superintendent, pointed out, “It’s significant in terms of upfront costs but once those initial costs are expended the cost obviously becomes less.”

George Aman, a former superintendent, teacher, and a current board member, said, “Before we invest a lot of money, we’ve got to have a long term commitment, not just one that looks good on paper.”

Gail Simons January 26, 2011 at 07:56 PM
Thanks for reporting, Louis. Obviously lots more to understand on this topic. We should all do our own digging and learn as much more as we can on this.
Lisa McLoughlin January 26, 2011 at 09:21 PM
HOLD THE PRESS!!!! Louis - I JUST looked at the 2nd photo accompanying this article. HOLY COW!!!! This Principal has already MADE APPLICATION to IBO and spent taxdollars on IB teacher training!!!!!! How was this done without Board of Education approval? That means E. Hampton has already committed/spent over $50,000 on IB already! Very cute with the "How does IB Fit" spin. That wouldn't have been a re-tooling based on Incline Village's petition which stated "IB is NOT a good FIT for Incline", would it? Also note point #5 - AP courses will be decreased. That's the only TRUTH in Principal Fine's little Power Point. And what's with the windmill? Who does he fancy himself? Don Quioxte?
Lisa McLoughlin January 26, 2011 at 09:32 PM
Great job on taking that photo, Louis! I apologize for being slow to catch that ...... paydirt. ;-) Now, if you have a little time on your hands, may I respectfully request that you FOIL: 1. A copy of the district's "feasibility study" which was supposed to be done in the Consideration Phase. 2. Application A to IBO 3. copies of Purchase Orders paid to IB and travel agencies 4. Any inter-office e-mails/memos between the Superintendent, Principal Fine, members of the BoE and IB or relating to the approval of funding application to IB. This is how they sneak it in the back door and then they cross their fingers and pray I won't catch them at it! Bad boy, Principal Fine.
Lisa McLoughlin January 26, 2011 at 09:36 PM
Dear Editor Taylor V, Please give Louis a raise. ;-)
Patricia Hope January 26, 2011 at 09:43 PM
Lisa, the windmill is the logo of the school district. Objective comments are welcome, and may be informative. Insulting comments demean you.
IB BEEN THERE... And they say the truth will set you free.....or.....it will cost you ......looks like Long Island is anticipating a really good tourist summer....they will need it for the tax dollars. Look past this IB program.....what do you want for your children in the future? What are colleges looking for......I think you will find.....they are looking for a very diverse student......success in high school does not translate into success in life or college. This discussion should be more global with respect to our next generation. The dollars aside, the cirriculum aside, the IBO aside.......every day, every minute someone in this world will try and take power away from your choice.....you have no choices for your child once they are half way through this program....they have to finish the program...it is only in the last two years.....that the disgusting system goes into overdrive.
Lisa McLoughlin January 26, 2011 at 11:01 PM
Patricia Hope, My apologies for my ignorance of the district's logo. However, I would think if you are a resident, you would be rather outraged that your Principal had expended tens of thousands of dollars on a program that has not yet received Board approval. The Quixote reference is apropos in this case and doesn't demean me .... "One of the most famous stories in the book is Don Quixote's fight with the windmills. He sees some windmills and thinks they are giants. When he rides to fight with them, he is knocked off his horse. Sancho tells him they are only windmills, but Don Quixote does not believe him. He is sure a magician changed the giants into windmills to hurt him."
Patricia Hope January 26, 2011 at 11:30 PM
Ms. McLaughlin, Principal Fine did not spend East Hampton District money on the IB program - that piece of the program was done over five years ago when someone else was principal. Mr. Fine has been the principal only since September, 2010.
IB BEEN THERE... Imagine...such insightful information and you didn't graduate from the IB program... :) What a perfect metaphor for another IB slitherling onslaught. Lisa....all we can do is to continue to tell the truth.....if they listen, they have been educated; if they do their own research, they may be embarrassed to admit the truth. So it may appear saving face will outweigh the benefit for the children and the taxpayers. So sad the legacy we will leave our children.....fake it and let the next generation pay for our inept deeds.
Lisa McLoughlin January 27, 2011 at 12:28 AM
Patricia Hope, Well, that answers my question about what was meant by "reintroducing" IB. So the district wasted $50,000 plus or minus five years ago and never filed Application B to receive final authorization. I suppose it is "possible" that IB would merely accept another $9,500 at this point in time to file Application B. But let me ask you this: How many of those teachers who were trained in IB are still with the district? According to the Power Point, your Principal states, "training has been completed and being used as we speak." There are three levels of IB training. IB requires the Principal, Librarian and IB Coordinator to also receive training. If Principal Fine is new and training is indeed "complete", then your district has spent a lot more than $50,000 to date. I wouldn't be so quick to deny that money has been spent on IB since Principal Fine's arrival without researching IB expenditures by the district. If Principal Fine has attended IB training, then money has been spent.
Lisa McLoughlin January 27, 2011 at 01:13 AM
Patricia, What were the reasons for abandoning the IB application over five years ago? Financial? Did you have the same Board of Education Trustees five years ago? The quotes reported in this article make it sound like the district would have to start over again from ground zero, including getting new approval to move ahead. I'm just warning the parents and taxpayers to pay attention to detail and most importantly, analyze administrator's words carefully. WORDS MATTER. Point # 1 on that PP slide: 1. Provides a focus on the development of acquisition, understanding and transfer of knowledge. (English translation: teaching and learning) 2. Standardized curriculum demands Best Practice. (what standardized curriculum? IB only provides "frameworks". You should look for an additional line in the budget for approx. $50,000 for "curriculum writing" as IB courses in many instances do not meet NYS standards for graduation and must be "adjusted". For this work, teachers must be compensated) 4. Trickle down effect - that's for sure - just like a leak in the roof results in mold in the basement. IB dumbs down your overall academics and yes, this trickles down, along with its methods of indoctrination. In Ozark, MO, the Superintendent and School Board voted to discuss and make application to IB all in one night without any parental or staff input. The Jr. ROTC instructor from that district is the fine gentleman who obtained the statement from the American Legion.
Lisa McLoughlin January 27, 2011 at 02:49 PM
EXCLUSIVE! First time published on the Internet: http://truthaboutib.com/unescogreatestdanger.html
Another Teacher January 27, 2011 at 03:33 PM
As a former teacher of IB and opponent I have a few observations to make: 1. As usual IB proponents do not deal with the issues, but rather resort to personal attacks against the opposition. See above from MoNeill: "tHE Minutemen and Minutewomen and the John Birchers among other right wingnuts are now joined by an American Legion National appartchik spreading the news that the U.N. is a commie plot." 2. IB is expensive--Lisa has forgotten to include the fact that additional staff must be hired to manage the program (IB Coordinator) in order to meet the IBO requirements. Cost--with benefits sometimes more than $100,000 per year. 3. IB is disruptive--High school schedules are manipulated to accommodate IB students schedules since course are mandated to be offered, many, unlike standard curriculum, are two years on length, and often class sizes are very small due to the fact that IB is not always popular. 4. Many schools end up teaching AP course with IB course in the same classroom. Some students enroll as AP students and some as IB students. What happens is that neither course can be taught properly and so they both suffer. In our very elite school district in Western PA we have seen a substantial drop in student outcome for both programs. It is sad. To Be Continued
Another Teacher January 27, 2011 at 03:38 PM
Continued: 5. IB creates divisiveness in a community. Helicopter parents who are convinced by slick marketing that their Johnny or Jane will be deprived of the opportunity to become brilliant, creative thinkers if denied IB will fight tooth and nail to have it. They will use all methods including personal attacks (see above) threats to teachers to keep their mouths shut, lawsuits see Incline Village PPT on TAIB website http://truthaboutib.com/usschooldisputes/ibininclinevillagenv.html and see ACLU lawsuit at http://truthaboutib.com/usschooldisputes/ibinupperstclairpa.html For some reason though people are still convinced that it is the only way for a school district to teach students to be "creative thinkers" or "globally minded". This is hogwash. IB does not have a corner on the market of good teaching. They are doing nothing more than using good teaching methods...methods that have been known about and used in schools all over the country for years...education 101. Money spent on IB is a waste. My recommendation: 1. Use the money to review and improve the existing curriculum including writing, reading, and critical analyses. 2. Institute a rigorous teacher evaluation process that identifies and rewards good practice 3. Institute a terrific cooperative program with local colleges and universities where advanced students can enroll in real college courses. 4. Stop listening to the slick salesmen from Geneva. They just want your money and your minds.
Thank you, thank you, thank you......teachers who weigh in are as important as the parents. Your insights and experience are really the foundation that makes parents aware....helicoper parents.....doesn't work.....Velcro parents maybe....currently I have decided that a parent has to be a Skin Graft Parent to run interference for their children. So scary that some administrators are blinded into IB by looking at themselves in the mirror too much.....and not for good reason...and they already have their feet in their next job hunt so they aren't ever fully aware of the ravages, lies and deceptions of these people.....stop paying IB.....pay the teachers.
InformedIBParent January 27, 2011 at 04:03 PM
Mo, Instead of trying to skirt the truth before you why not take the time to truly educate yourself about this program? Lord knows there is a LOT more information out there today then there was years ago when this group came to our community. I only wish I would have been able to meet people who knew about this program first hand before I ever let it near my child. Information is power. Sure, you can opt to remain ignorant and refuse to believe what is before you...but what is really at stake when the adults in our society turn a blind eye to a proven threat to our own children? Don't our children deserve to be protected? Don't they deserve to truly get a real academic education that teaches them skills verses one that is focused solely on using psychological tools to try and change their beliefs? This is not a joke to parents who have seen what this program is really about. Nor is it a joke to the parents who have lost kids to mental wards and suicide because this program pushed them over the edge with their incessant psychological manipulations. Don't believe me..look it up for yourself. Then start putting our kids first for change.
InformedIBParent January 27, 2011 at 04:17 PM
These are the ones that make the paper. What you do not see are the countless IB students who attempt suicide and end up in mental wards instead. Only people close to those kids in the community know about those cases because they are minors and the information is not published..but they ALL matter all the same. Students’ suicides devastate Einstein High Parents, classmates cope with two deaths in two months http://www.gazette.net/stories/042606/silvnew180807_31942.shtml Still think this is a joke MO Neill?
InformedIBParent January 27, 2011 at 04:42 PM
On the issue of being so concerned about "global issues" our citizens need to be focusing on our country and the current state we are in right now. While our schools, the press, and our government has forced the "global vision" upon us we are losing our critical core infrastructure that gave our country it's freedom from being invaded and it's freedom from becoming so financially dependent upon another country that our freedoms become the sacrifice. It is clear that after years of incremental steps of inserting the UN agendas into our country that many of our citizens have forgotten what happens to a country when they cede their rights, land, and resources to a foreign power? What happens to their freedoms if a new 'global" power does not afford them the same rights they had under their independent sovereign power? We can be competitive on the global market without ceding our rights and without taking on the politics, religion, or culture of anther country as our own. Just as our students can learn about "global issues" without taking them on as their own at the sacrifice of their own country.That is a defining difference between the foreign made IB and the American made AP.
You know it to be true!Amen
Lisa McLoughlin January 27, 2011 at 07:21 PM
Harumph! LOL! Lisa has not "forgotten" to include additional staff needed .... see my 3rd post on this thread. I may be getting old but when it comes to this issue, an elephant never forgets. Thanks for your input "Another teacher". ;-)
Another Teacher January 27, 2011 at 09:38 PM
Apologies to Lisa. I read through this blog very quickly and missed your point about added personnel. That plus the never-ending training, represents one of the biggest costs in dollars of this IB Programme.
Lisa McLoughlin January 27, 2011 at 10:40 PM
No need to apologize, Another Teacher. I don't think the cost of this educational scam can ever be over-emphasized. These ideologues need it hammered home that the time has come to get their grubby hands out of the taxpayer's pockets for wasteful programs.
Lisa McLoughlin January 28, 2011 at 05:55 PM
I just took a look at East Hampton's NYS Report Card. I happen to be a fan of this requirement of our public schools which became a nationwide mandate for accountability under NCLB. https://www.nystart.gov/publicweb-rc/2009/e3/CIR-2009-580301020002.pdf Overall, EHHS does very well with students passing the NYS Regents exams. Where EHHS appears to be falling down is in the area of "mastery" (85 or higher), as well as only 45% of the students attaining the Advanced Regents Diploma. The Regents is a pretty basic standard of measurement for subject knowledge. Wouldn't it be a far more reasonable and less expensive goal for EHHS to strive for at least 90% passage of the Regents with an 85 or higher and 80% Advanced Regents Diplomas - instead of IB? You also have a 22% turnover rate for teachers of less than 5 years. That's high.
Patricia Hope January 28, 2011 at 07:50 PM
Lisa, I think you're looking at Easthampton, Mass. That's not East Hampton, New York.
Lisa McLoughlin January 28, 2011 at 08:07 PM
Patricia, With all due respect, the above is clearly a NYS link. Additionally, Regents exams are exclusive to NY and are not offered in MA.
Patricia Hope January 28, 2011 at 08:10 PM
Lisa, when I first went to your link it said Easthampton, Mass. True.
Patricia Hope January 28, 2011 at 08:13 PM
I have the link you posted printed out: http://www.easthampton.k12.ma.us/files/853528/Easthampton%20School%20District%20AYP%202009.pdf. Easthampton, Mass. You changed the original link.
Lisa McLoughlin January 28, 2011 at 08:49 PM
Patricia, I deleted that entire post which related to Title I schools, IB and grant money, within seconds of posting it as soon as I saw the k12.ma in the link and realized my error. I didn't "change" the link. I "changed" the entire post to accurately reflect academic achievement at EHHS. Please try reading what is here instead of going for a "gotcha".
Lisa McLoughlin January 28, 2011 at 09:15 PM
Patricia, Also, since you are obviously still reading these messages, would you please respond to my questions from Wednesday? "What were the reasons for abandoning the IB application over five years ago? Financial? Did you have the same Board of Education Trustees five years ago?"
Lisa McLoughlin January 29, 2011 at 01:04 PM
Hats off to the Patriots in Washoe County, Nevada! THIS is what it comes to after a year of trying to force IB into Incline Village schools: http://www.fixwashoeschools.com/secretmeetings.mp3 This will air on 61 radio spots beginning Monday. Stop IB in East Hampton NOW!


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