Town Board Mulls Over Wastewater Treatment Plant Sale

Supervisor Wilkinson ready to make a deal, but terms still being hashed out.

The sale of the Town of East Hampton's wastewater treatment plant is nearing, according to a report from this week.

A company from Lindenhurst wast the only one to submit a proposal for the town's attempt to privatize the scavenger waste plant on Springs-Fireplace. East End Processing Corporating, whose parent company is Clear Flo Technologies, wants to buy the plant for $300,000 or lease it for $1,000 a month for 30 years. The lease would start March 1 and the company has asked for an option to buy it within five years.

If the town does not sell, it would have to pay $18,575 per month to subsidize the costs of operating the site as a septic waste transfer station. That part of the deal would last two years, or until three months after the new owner gets the fully operational as a waste treatment plan, The Star reports.

Town Supervisor Bill Wilkinson said he was ready to move forward with a deal during a work session on Tuesday.

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MARTIN DREW February 12, 2012 at 02:29 AM
Indeed Deborah ; slow this runaway train down ..
Deborah Klughers February 12, 2012 at 02:35 AM
Supervisor Wilkinson said it is only worth that much to someone "in the business" Martin. Hey- isn't the guy wanting to purchase the plant "in the business"? I think yes.
Deborah Klughers February 12, 2012 at 03:18 AM
Here is the best part! If the Town accepts the proposal which states, "...Landlord is responsible to perform any and all remediation, cleanup or removal work arising out of "Pre-Existing Environmental Conditions...." , then let the clean up begin! Well, that would be after the environmental testing, of course.
Factual February 12, 2012 at 03:05 PM
The place aint worth $10 million or even a million in its current state -- take that to the bank. Over the years the town has not even spent any where near $10 milion to build what's there now. If you factor in the plant and equipment has been deteriorating and you have a real pile of barely working junk. As far a property values -- would you build a house there? Or a store? Or a play ground? Or anything? NO. No means no value. I'm amazed someone is even willing to take it over at any price and assume all the responsibility and liability for it. The place has been bleeding taxpayer money for six or seven years -- let someone else have a chance. To not get rid of it when you have the chance would really be insane.
Debra Brodie Foster February 12, 2012 at 03:12 PM
Let's not forget that the majority of the Town Board has touted the building of sewers as a high priority in their State of the Town address. Because of the horrific costs of building sewers ,( remember the southwest sewer district scandal?), Wilkinson and CO. are pushing through a measure that will not work for our Town when we try to remove our septic waste. Sooooo, when we complain about the high costs of waste disposal.... da,da Wilkinson will bring up sewers as the only alternative, not as healthy way to dispose of our waste, but the key that unlocks the door to over-development. We are being had, folks. Stay vigilant!
Factual February 12, 2012 at 03:18 PM
It isn't worth a million, let alone $20 million. Was anyone listening to the engineer on TV? He said to build a state of the art facility that would far exceed any permit needed by East Hampton, with all the bells and whistles, that would process septage, would cost $20 million. He never said that little piece of property filled with failing and old equipment is worth $20 million new. Only one company even showed an interest in the facility when a public bid was sent out. No one in the industry except for one company even showed an interest. This facility is not in demand and has been a financial and environmental disaster -- ask the people at One Stop who deal with the smell.
Factual February 12, 2012 at 03:23 PM
Yea right...gave away Poxabogue for like $2.5 million in cash. Cash that fives the town the ability to pay off all the future debt principal on the money borrowed without raising another penny in tax for it. Also kept full access and fees for East Hampton residents to play golf -- that is a political, operational and financial win for the residents and taxpayers of East Hampton. You can stand at Fort Pond house with YOUR kids not mine-- it's falling apart, dangerous, mold infested, a health hazard and you have to hike through a hundred feet of heavy brush and brambles just to get to the bank of Fort Pond. And the marinas are owned by the town and being repaired by the town so stick the political BS in your back pocket where it belongs. Go back to sleep sandman.
Deborah Klughers February 12, 2012 at 04:31 PM
I think you still need a treatment plant for sewers..... the waste does not just disappear. Every day, more than 100 million gallons of "sewage" is discharged into the ground by Long Islanders ( via septic, cesspool, or treatment plants like ours). 30 million gallons are discharged into our marine waters via treatment plants. What is the answer? Business as usual or state of the art? We will pay for it one way or another. We will pay for it one day as well. What happens after 30 years? What will we have then? Why does the answer have to be so drastic? Why cant we operate it as a transfer station while we explore other opportunities? Crisis can be the door to opportunity. Can we have a public hearing and invite experts and the COMMUNITY to discuss this complex, important matter that affects us all? A major investment may be necessary to secure the health of the ground and coastal waters and the community needs now and in the future. Let's not forget about nitrogen fueled algae blooms that can harm fisheries and humans.............
Elaine Jones February 12, 2012 at 05:09 PM
This all so reminds me of the fiasco of the recyling facility. They didn't have enough garbage for the compost in the winter so they went all over the island to buy it. What a disaster that was. Now they say we might need to bring in sewage from up-island in the winter, and export it in the summer.
Pat Mansir February 12, 2012 at 05:12 PM
Don't even begin to think the people will agree that the land under Scav Waste is worthless just because no one would build a home there. Nonscense! There are Construction & Demolition debris companies who are champing at the bit to start a plant on that land.
Pat Mansir February 12, 2012 at 05:20 PM
Board meeting on the subject Tuesday 10:00am at Montauk Fire House. Let's start managing our own Town!
Elaine Jones February 12, 2012 at 05:33 PM
Factual seems to know everything so must be involved with town board. I did watch the meeting and actually the company wanting to buy it will NOT accept responsibility for the existing conditions and unless we do an environmental study we won't know what those conditions are. Even the Budget Advisory committee recommended an environmental study. Why is the Town Board trying to rush this . There is a saying, "If it's not broke don't fix it. This Town Board seems to think, if its broke SELL IT., such as Fort Pond House, Poxabouge, Amagansett Tennis Courts, Terry King, 300 Pantigo with no place for the offices to go, now the sewage treatment plant. What do we do when our GROUND WATER is comtaminated?
Montaukman February 12, 2012 at 06:37 PM
I remember the last time Ms. Mansir was managing our Town. Don't want to go there again.
Elaine Jones February 12, 2012 at 07:02 PM
At least Pat Mansir is willing to speak up and admit what went wrong.
todd February 14, 2012 at 01:00 AM
Has anyone vetted the potential buyer with the DEC and other regulatory agencies in the areas where they curently operate? If the town hasn't they are completely irresponsible. For an administration that prides itself on applying business principles its negotiating skills are outrageously deficient. Does every deal have to be a fire sale? This ain't Detroit.
Bill Hall February 15, 2012 at 01:33 PM
what proof to we have that if the plant is sold it will be any better than it is now. can they guarantee the plant will be run properly. as the owner of ONE STOP, I say close it down until we have these guarantee's in place
Deborah Klughers February 15, 2012 at 06:46 PM
I think that we would be guaranteed no local control for decades. We would be guaranteed, as per East End Processing Corp’s (EEPC)response, that they would pursue increasing the septage input by 50% while attempting to persuade the DEC to lessen standards for the discharge of pollutants. We would be guaranteed an “odor complaint form” (does that help you, Mr. Hall?). It also seems that we would be guaranteed that EEPC would bring in waste from wherever in order to run the plant to their standards, of increased wastewater input and the subsequent increase of effluent pumped into our groundwater. Although not guaranteed, I would assume that EEPC would be making a profit . A guarantee is that we would be the lucky recipient of other peoples nitrogenous ( and other ) waste pumped in to our groundwater. We are guaranteed that there is absolutely no room to make a hasty decision today that may result in a “We are sorry- we made a mistake “ in the future. This is about our water- and future of EH. You can live without many things- but not without water. We the people should be guaranteed that the Board will take the necessary time to make an informed decision that is best for the community and the environment- NOT a decision that is best for EEPC. Check out the above pdf in regard to the vetting of EEPC filing with the DOS in December 2011.
Deborah Klughers February 15, 2012 at 07:08 PM
Don’t let some of the Town Board fool you-the need to pump our septic tanks and cesspools is not the crisis they make it out to be. Yes-it is good to do, but pumping your tanks is like taking a glass of water out of a pool. It is more related to public health (overflowing cesspools) and home-maintenance than addressing the overarching problem of excess nitrogen introduced to our ground and coastal waters. We need waste-water legislation, and the Suffolk County Department of Health needs to be open to permitting different kinds of home septic systems-those that denitrify-and/or the permitting of additions to existing systems that are in use in other parts of the country.New legislation must address the biggest issue facing our ground and coastal waters. Nitrogen pollution is the single largest threat to our waters on Long Island. We are lucky (so far) that EH has not seen the toxic algae blooms Southampton has experienced. Remember last summer’s toxic red-Cochlodinium polykrikoides -that closed Shinnecock Bay to shell fishing,(people can die from consuming contaminated shellfish). The largest brown tide bloom on the planet of Aureococcus anophagefferens, has been an annual occurrence in Quantuck Bay (in SH as well).We would have to pump our tanks monthly or more in order to make a real difference to lowering our nitrogen discharge into the ground. This is not a practical solution. Seriously- how many of us pump our system on a regular basis as it is?
Bill Hall February 15, 2012 at 07:32 PM
One of the issues, of many, is who do we go to if the plant is sold.. will the town board listen to complaints or will they give us the phone number of the new owner and will they address the problem. I don't know the particulars as you do Debbie, so I ask you what is the bottom line for you...sell, close. or what?
Elaine Jones February 15, 2012 at 08:17 PM
Debbie, Many of the baymen have always felt that the sewage treatment plant in Riverhead was responsible for the scallop industry being destroyed. We cannot let someone from the outside take control of our sewage. I think we must take care of our own. Is there land anywhere else that we can build a state of the art facilty responsible for only East Hampton Town or can the one thats there be fixed to control smell and all the problems that have happened. The town has not kept up with the problems.
Deborah Klughers February 15, 2012 at 08:46 PM
Elaine- Montauk!! There is talk of a new hospital at the former Stony Brook Southampton campus. They would HAVE to build a state of the art sewage treatment system there- or anywhere they choose to relocate to..... What about the 5 East End Towns being involved in that facility? We may all be able to help solve a regional problem............ a problem that can not and will not go away. This is a future needs issue and current crisis that must be well thought out- for the long term health of the environment, the people , and a prosperous and sustainable future for EH and beyond!
Elaine Jones February 16, 2012 at 05:23 AM
There was once talk of the five east end towns getting together to build a plant but could not come to an agreement. I agree with you. Sag Harbor has its own. This is the future of our children and for East Hampton Town. They can't rush to judgement.
Deborah Klughers February 16, 2012 at 06:46 AM
red tide , that is..... toxic red tide....
David Buda February 16, 2012 at 06:07 PM
Clearly this is a major issue having significant long term financial and environmental consequences for all the Town residents. Currently the Scavenger Waste Plant is operating only as a Transfer Station, storing and consolidating loads until they can be transported westward in a more efficient, and cost effective manner than if the Transfer Station did not exist at all. Presumably all the scavenger waste is now ultimately being transferred to the Riverhead Town municipal facility. Although possibly not the best permanent solution, can someone please explain why it is not in the Town's best interests, at least for the short-term (up to a year or so), to continue the Transfer Station use only, while a consensus is achieved as to the best long-term solution. Moreover, shouldn't operation of a Transfer Station be able to be accomplished at minimal cost to the Town, passing along to all users of the facility the true net costs incurred by the Town to maintain the Transfer Station? Fortunately, NY State Law provides that the sale or lease of any Town owned real estate is subject to a permissive referendum. If a majority of the Town Board "rushes to judgment" then a Petition submitted by qualified Town voters, in a number equal to only 5% of the number that actually voted for Governor in 2010, can force the matter to be submitted to all the Town's voters as a ballot Proposition. The Town Board could also decide to submit the matter to a voter referendem without a Petition.
Deborah Klughers February 16, 2012 at 06:44 PM
If it has to be in East Hampton, I would say build a state of the art facility discharging into the ocean, or make it a transfer station. If it must stay at the current site, make it into a state of the art scav waste facility. We shouldn’t just fix up the plant –or worse- let someone else decide how renovate it for their needs-to run in a business as usual mode. Times and technology have changed and so has our fragile environment. It would be nice to look at this with a regional approach. All our waters are connected.....both underground and coastal....(and actually globally- all our water has been here since our planet was formed...and that's it- you don't get any more) I don’t understand the urgency to act without listening to (and truly hearing) the needs of the people and the planet. I am optimistic that the Board will do the right thing- now that voices are rising…..“You ain't gonna miss your water until your well runs dry.”(Bob Marley)
Preliator February 16, 2012 at 08:15 PM
Wait a second, did not the Town under Bill Mcgintie and the democrats adopt a new comprehensive plan for our future; did not the wise and all knowing democrats plan for waste water needs? Oh I forgot, that plan was not worth the paper it was printed on.
todd February 16, 2012 at 08:39 PM
while everyone is looking forward for a solution you're looking back. sorry...this ain't a Dem/Repub issue.
Deborah Klughers February 18, 2012 at 07:06 PM
The Town Board should act more like honeybees. They make decisions collectively--and democratically. When faced with life-or-death problems, honey bees stake everything on a process that includes collective fact-finding, vigorous debate, and consensus building.Although there is only one Queen- they are all part of the process.Just a thought.....
Marianne Klepacki March 04, 2012 at 02:31 AM
On the 6th page of this website: http://www.sucf.suny.edu/project/mcp/sb.pdf you will see that the "Waste Water Treatment System Southampton" for the Southampton campus is already in the design phase. Budgeted cost will be 9.991 million dollars. Has anyone inquired about the type of the design they are planning?
Elaine Jones March 04, 2012 at 03:48 AM
What I find most interesting is that Sag Harbor has its own plant, Southampton Campus seems to be taking care of its problems and East Hampton politicians want to give ours away. There is so much study that needs to be done before this decision is made. Perhaps it nee4ds to go to referendum.


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