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LaValle, Fleming At Odds on Super PAC Funding in Debate

Republican incumbent says some regulation may be necessary, while Democratic challenger would support banning the outside funding completely.

State Sen. Kenneth P. LaValle, a Republican, and Democratic challenger Bridget Fleming debated in East Hampton on Monday night on a range of topics from mandate relief to pension reform to job creation.

But perhaps the biggest difference between the two candidates revolved around the topic of outside campaign cash locals have seen fly into the district during the 2012 election cycle — most of which pays for those campaign fliers filling up many voters' mailboxes.

On Monday it was reported that outside spending in the form of super PACs, state and national committees and other sources have topped $3 million in the First Congressional District race, which covers the First State Senate District and more.

A landmark Supreme Court ruling in 2010 — commonly known as "Citizens United" — has allowed more outside funding to flow nationwide and concentrate in certain toss-up areas, prohibiting government regulation of independent political spending by corporations and unions alike. 

Speaking at the Emergency Services Center to a crowd of roughly 50, LaValle feared the prospect of picking and choosing which Supreme Court rulings to comply with, saying, "the court has spoken, and I don't believe we can selectively say, 'I don’t like this Supreme Court decision, so we’re going to try and overturn that. But I like that one.'"

While LaValle, R-Port Jefferson, said at the end of his statement that government should "try and find ways to regulate some of these super PACs that have gotten out of control," that was not enough to satisfy Fleming, D-Noyac.

"When something is so destructive to the fabric of the democratic process — with the influx of unlimited, undisclosed spending — we have to take action. Something has to be done," said Fleming, a Southampton Town councilwoman.

LaValle, running for his 19th term in Albany, stated that, "I think our system of government is put together in a way that a Supreme Court decision is a Supreme Court decision," something Fleming said she "disagree[s] 100 percent with."

"It squashes good legitimate contenders who have good fresh ideas for good government, and something absolutely must be done about it," she said.

Last Thursday, The Huffington Post reported that New Jersey became the ninth state in the nation to pass a bill on the state level calling for a constitutional amendment overturning Citizens United. Other states include California, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Vermont, Hawaii, Marlyand and New Mexico.

Besides campaign finance, the two offered different approaches on other topics as well.

When it came to bringing jobs into the district, Fleming cited "the highest electric rates in the continental United States," said she would attempt to lower utilities for local business owners. LaValle pointed to his chairmanship on the Committee of Higher Education and the state's purchase of the bankrupt Southampton College, and environmental protection to promote continued tourism.

Fleming also went on the offensive over LaValle's fiscal record, calling his claims for fiscal prudence "Johnny-come-latelys," while pointing out the increases in state spending during his tenure. Fleming said state spending nearly doubled from $64 billion to $121 billion from 1998 to 2010 and cited growing state debt, though LaValle pointed to his accomplishment as "architect of the STAR rebate program" and noted that "the senate majority is only one part of the process."

Preliator October 23, 2012 at 04:04 pm
Ah yes, no surprise a Democrat would oppose free speech.
George Lynch October 23, 2012 at 04:06 pm
Ken LaValle isn't too upset about the Citizens United decision because it generally benefits Republicans like himself, so he's content to give a little lip service to regulating "some of these Super PACs that have gotten out of control" and let it go at that.
What LaValle doesn't get (or maybe gets and doesn't care) is that the Citizens United rule is like a poker game without any limits on raises or pots. Then, it's no longer about who's got the cards, or the skill, or the courage to risk a bet; instead the game just goes to whoever brings the most money to the table, every time. That's what Citizens United does to our elections. Bridget Fleming understands this, as she understands a lot of things Ken LaValle doesn't, or doesn't want to. Anyone who watched this debate saw someone who's winding down his career versus someone who's eager to start working hard for us. No prizes for guessing who was who.
Esther Gleason October 23, 2012 at 08:43 pm
True George, Ms. Fleming is noble. Although I am curious as to why she has been making so much hay about how evil Super PAC's are, yet she recently cashed $10,000 in checks from Super PAC's? Please explain, I'm sure there is a rational explanation - maybe she needs the money from evildoers to fight evil? Looks like a typical do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do situation. Very courageous indeed.
Truth Teller October 23, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Citizens United is easily one of the worst SC decisions of the past 100 years.
Truth Teller October 23, 2012 at 11:03 pm
no she probably just opposes buying elections
susan October 24, 2012 at 12:31 pm
lavalle's views are so out of touch it's staggering. he voted against marriage equality. he supports super pac money. it's clear who has his ear. go to the polls and vote him out.
Moni October 24, 2012 at 02:29 pm
Isn't it just a bit simpleminded to expect Democrats who abhor Citizens United to refuse to accept PAC money, while their Republican opponents gleefully suck up all the outside anonymous cash the possibly can?
George Lynch October 24, 2012 at 04:30 pm
Ms. Gleason's comment above is mistaken simply because Super PACs can't contribute directly to candidates or their committees. There is some PAC (not Super PAC) money reported in Bridget Fleming's required filings, from labor union PACs and others who share her beliefs, but that doesn't militate against her opposition to the Citizens United decision. As Moni suggests above, and as Ms. Gleason acknowledges, the opponents of Citizens United shouldn't have to refuse this kind of donation, because until we change things, it takes money to fight the good fight. In America, we don't make revolutions, we work within the system to change the system.
Preliator October 24, 2012 at 04:33 pm
But she'll take the money.
Joan October 25, 2012 at 03:56 pm
Anyone who has "served" 19 terms is most definitely and absolutely part of the problem.
This man who has made a career of what we now laughingly call "public service" needs to get a real job to understand what it's like to have to earn his wages.
Joan October 25, 2012 at 03:57 pm
Yes, it is.
Joan October 25, 2012 at 04:00 pm
George, you have not only just described the effects of Citizens United but also the workings of the Wall Street gamblers and banksters. Right on.
Joan October 25, 2012 at 04:04 pm
Preliator, The fact that you view the unlimited buying of political candidates as free speech clearly indicates that you are a low information voter and are in favor of the overarching corruption in todays politics. LaValle, who has "served" 19 terms has over stayed his time in politics. He must by now be wealthy enough to either retire or get a real job.
Joan October 25, 2012 at 04:10 pm
Esther Gleason Is it so difficult to see that if she does NOT take the money she will lose and may as well just drop out of the election? It's take the money or don't play Esther. Would you have the Super Pacs just give the money to the candidate of their choice and seat them in the office? That's what would happen if honorable people did not take the money. Honorable people can take the money and still be honorable because those are the rules of the game at this point in time. To think otherwise is hypocritical.
Joan October 25, 2012 at 04:11 pm
re: "but she'll take the money" What a hypocrite you are.

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