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Group Rallies at Airport, Demands New Chopper Route, Less Noise

Group also claims new route is overcrowded and dangerous, but report of a near-miss collision could not be substantiated.

The Quiet Skies Coalition members and supporters gathered for a rally at in Wainscott on Sunday afternoon, amidst the hustle and bustle on a busy Sunday afternoon.

Members stood on the road, and also be the terminal, where pilots and limo drivers were mulling about and several passengers getting on and off helicopters, sea planes, and private jets were to forced to walk by the crowd with signs like, "Sag Harbor residents want peace & quiet" and " = no noise mitigation POWER," residents from Noyac to East Hampton lobbied for curfews and varied routes.

Residents of the Town of Southampton, particularly those in Sagaponack, Bridgehampton, Sag Harbor and Noyac, and the North Fork have been impacted by the July 14 helicopter route change, which directs helicopter traffic to and from the airport, over Jessup's Neck.

The coalition has asked that the old route over Northwest Creek be reinstated, as it had been used for the last several years. No decision has been made yet and won't be, the group says, until after the season is over and the complaints have been analyzed.

Two days later, the coalition announced a rally was organized. They was careful to keep the amount of protestors to under 50 so that no permit was necessary, according to Kathy Cunningham, the executive director. stood by.

In the meantime, Robert Lazar said living in Noyac with a constant flow of helicopters overhead is like being in Kandahar, Afghanistan. "It's like they're landing and we're under attack," he said.

Bob Malafronte, who lives in the Mt. Misery section of Sag Harbor, said he counted 45 helicopters on the Saturday before the protest and said they were still landing at a quarter to midnight. "Our company left last week it was so bad," he said, adding that the past two to three years have been "liveable," and now everything's changed.

His wife, Dorothy Malafronte, said the helicopters should fly different routes, but fears the mansions are being protected. "They're not going to go over Bloomberg's house that's for sure," she said.

Judith Axelrod said the noise from the choppers overhead have given her a headache and prevent her from sitting in her backyard at her home in Noyac, where she has lived for 14 years.

Sitting on a bench just outside the airport building, she held a sign that read simply, "Please Vary Routes." She said she's realistic. "I can't stop it. It's a free country. I just want them to vary the routes."

The group also claims that the route is overcrowded and dangerous.

"QSC was copied on a noise complaint sent to EH Airport which advised of a near-miss collision between two commuter helicopters on Thursday, Aug. 16, around 5:30 p.m., over the power line flight path towards Jessup's Neck," an email from the group states. "The resident observed these two aircraft flying far below the recommended altitude and not more than 50 - 75 feet apart. One helicopter was flying directly into the western sun, likely impeding the pilots vision."

"Eyewitness reports are notoriously inaccurate," Airport Manager Jim Brundige said on Monday, adding that the person on the ground is not privy to the communication between the pilots and/or the control tower. He said neither the control tower, nor the pilots reported any such incident. However, he said, the alleged incident location was outside the airport's control zone.

How has the new helicopter route impacted you over the past month? Please tell us in the comments and be sure to say in which hamlet you live. Thank you.

Walter Kaprielian August 20, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Or the landscapers with their blowers and lawnmowers at 7:00 am every Wednesday, Thursday and Friday mornings getting their houses pretty for the weekenders coming. Louder and longer than a helicopter vis-a-vis decible ratings.
the owl August 21, 2012 at 12:24 am
Of course the airport would deny any incident--likely they simply didn't see it; how could they? It's been reported there is no radar in the million dollar tower, so controllers use binoculars to direct air traffic!!!!!!. Seems totally absurd. Has the town lost all reason? In tough times the town is spending millions on lawyers and ineffective control towers so men with binoculars can see the landing strip and not further. This sounds like a Monty Python episode. Come on EH Town, protecting a few wealthy individuals with aviation interests, and a handful of 1%s is insane. What if this turns into a brawl between two towns...unseemly, and that won't attract visitors. What if they start demonstrating and block the village. We need visitors, but those who drive, bring their families, eat with us, shop with us...those are visitors we need, not those who remain hidden in their castles, behind electronic fences and who don't mix with us--the great unwashed. I've been following Karl Grossman who is all over the press on this the last two days, countrywide.
I have to thank Mr. Gruber for filling me on the gruesome dirty deals that went on at the airport, and now I too am hooked on this story. Aviation interests may have more money, but I think these people have more people......and they have a legitimate gripe. East hampton happy to dump noise and pollution over Southampton. Maybe it's time for Southampton to boycott East Hampton, until the next election. That would be effective.
Preliator August 21, 2012 at 10:48 am
Here are your tissues.
Glen Divo August 21, 2012 at 11:10 am
I live on NW Creek. They fly so low over my home that it scares my special needs child and she comes screaming into the house scared of the noise and the sight of them... I don't want them turning over my home... the noise is so much louder over water where the noise carries. It has been good for my child that they are not here over the house again. They should be flying over trees so that the noise can be absorbed. They don't fly as high as they are supposed to be flying, if they just stayed at a better altitude it would help as well.
Glen Divo August 21, 2012 at 11:14 am
Probably because most of the people on those aircraft live there and don't want to hear the noise. That is the path they should be taking.
Glen Divo August 21, 2012 at 11:17 am
I live in NW Woods by the water. This year hasn't been as bad as years past. The noise is magnified. One of these helicopters had the gall to fly low over a neighbors house and take pictures of their family in the back yard. Probably looking for celebs or something.
the owl August 21, 2012 at 11:36 am
The true nature of EHites is coming out. ME FIRST, not much better than the 1%ers. Let Southampton and other communities on the North Fork deal with the mess from our airport. Special needs or not (such children are special to us but they live in all communities), so this is a cowardly response to one's neighbors, we must elect the politicians that will protect all of us from this scourge. the people in other communities cannot elect our dleaders---the people of EH are responsible for what is happening over other communities. the next nationwide news will be: TWO HAMPTON COMMUNITIES DUKE IT OUT. So much for our reputation......NIMBY is us. Shameful
SagHarborBob August 21, 2012 at 11:44 am
Used to be the "haves and have nots" was a reference to money and material things; not the "haves" is Southampton - having all of the helicopter noise; and the "have nots" is East Hampton - having none of the noise now- because it's all dumped over Noyac.
SagHarborBob August 21, 2012 at 11:46 am
Made a typo - this is what I meant: Used to be the "haves and have nots" was a reference to money and material things; now the "haves" is Southampton - having all of the helicopter noise; and the "have nots" is East Hampton - having none of the noise now- because it's all dumped over Noyac.
Jimbo August 21, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Solution: Have them fly out over the ocean and approach over Georgica Pond inlet and over Georgica Pond to land!? Problem solved! OK, you're going to make Pearlman &Speilberg upset but after all those types are the ones that use them!
Daniel August 21, 2012 at 01:18 pm
I'm curious... why did you move there?
Jim Harrington August 21, 2012 at 02:37 pm
This helicopter noise problem is not limited to EH. It's a blight that affects Red Hook to Brooklyn Heights, Hoboken to Lower Manhattan & a licensened helicopter Pilot Mayor Bloomberg who refuses to face the issue. Sen Schumer is MIA. A fast ferry to EH or Montauk would help your problem.
Preston t Phillips August 21, 2012 at 02:46 pm
Regardless of what Mr Brundige says I saw the incident of two helicopters narrowly missing each other. Doubtful that they would "Self report " as both were flying too low (200-300 feet) and both were flying south of the powerline route..The powerline route is intended to have helicopters flying on both sides of the power lines. My visual evidence is that this is not being followed as my property is 1/2 mile south of the lines and if West flying/ outbound equipment were following the rules I would not be able to see them. All trafic above my property is flying SOUTH of the power line route not "To either side " as dictated by the protocal set up for this route,only adding to the danger.
Logic 101 August 21, 2012 at 02:54 pm
There are two problems that make this issue impossible to rectify. 1.) the people with the power and the influence don't care what anyone else wants, they use the airport. 2.) the airport was there long before any of these people decided to move in, turn around and begin to complain about the noise from the airport next to the house they bought. You ever see the houses that surround most airports? Blown out tenements. Its because they are very undesirable places to live.
dont care August 21, 2012 at 05:03 pm
A little off topic but what about the jets? Here are some recent you tube links of
jets over East Hampton Village taken from my front porch. http://youtu.be/nyliTONWOe0 http://youtu.be/sA9o3FqUF2M http://youtu.be/PY1T7fnYI5Q I Emailed one to Larry Cantwell his reaction was "WOW I will Pass it on to the Village Board.
the owl August 21, 2012 at 06:37 pm
Logic 101 What a bad neighbor you are. Is the North Fork next to the airport...no I believe it was there before the airport. Ditto Noyac, Sag Harbor and other impacted communities. Useful solutions and suggestions are sought; pilots please refrain. The craft you fly are a large part of the problem, not just in EH as one commentary said, but across this nation.
SuzyScuba August 21, 2012 at 09:45 pm
You are absolutely right!
SuzyScuba August 21, 2012 at 09:53 pm
You are correct in your assessment with #1. You are sorely mistaken in your next comment. We do not live near the airport but are subject to the assault of aircraft noise pollution with low flying helicopters, jets, seaplanes, and other winged aircraft due to flight pattern change, "air taxis" that bring the wealthy to and from the Hamptons, and do not care that they are ruining the lives of the full time residents who live and work here. Have you seen the homes "near" the airport? They are not tenements. Most of the people who are calling in to report the aircraft are people who bought in areas NOT subject to air traffic. Helicopters are the biggest offenders and the noisiest. At present we have no curfews and they are permitted to fly any route they wish to get in and out of the airport. The airport merely suggests the routes. Even LaGuardia and JFK have curfews...as the owner of the airport, EH Town can set rules and curfews is but one. The airport is used by 1% of the population and they are ruining 99% of the residences and peace and quiet. It is grossly inconsiderate and unfair to make the town suffer for a few...and speaking of the southern route...it would have far less impact on all of us as the aircraft would follow the shore and then approach to the airport...same for departure. Let those who use the airport feel it!
SuzyScuba August 21, 2012 at 09:54 pm
Jets are a big part of the noise pollution problem...privately owned small and large Embraer models are at the airport. We watched groups board these too. Unnecessary and far too big for our small town airport not to mention the noise and fuel pollution.
Preliator August 21, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Oh yes....horrible...that you are standing on your front porch recording planes.
Get a life.
SuzyScuba August 21, 2012 at 11:59 pm
The North Fork and Shelter Island alike are suffering...good to note "the owl"! This is not merely a small area that is being assaulted. The South Fork is one location. People should appreciate this is not merely an East Hampton town problem. Noise pollution from aircraft impacts far and wide.
Surfprotector August 22, 2012 at 12:26 pm
It's pretty obvious that our illustrious town leaders...Dumb...Dumber...and Goofy...simply decided that the best POLITICAL way to handle the noise problem was not to examine the causes and then take the appropriate course of action. Instead they chose to redirect the noise to other people's backyards.
Why not redirect the noise over the least populated routes and even smarter, how about developing laws that require more quiet types of planes and helicopters to be used....while banning the use of flying transportation that is too noisy? Are there planes and helicopters that register less noise? Probably not..otherwise someone would have suggested using them...right?
dont care August 22, 2012 at 01:35 pm
@Preliator Actually I'm sitting on the porch and I do have a life.It's quality of life that is
the problem.Have a nice day. :)
SuzyScuba August 22, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Yes, I think we all know why too!
S. Richardsn August 27, 2012 at 04:05 am
JFK or LaGuardia or any public use airport does not and cannot have curfews based on federal law. Public use airports are open 24 hours for a reason. Both those airports used in your example do try to curb traffic at times of high volume by imposing higher fees. JFK has a higher fee from 3 to 10 pm.
Remember, the airport currently makes million of dollars now in revenue and taxes and supplies many much needed jobs. Unfortunately millions are going to be wasted on lawyers instead of rolling up the sleeves and coming up with reasonable solutions that everyone can live with.
S. Richardsn August 27, 2012 at 04:27 am
Miss Keber,
Please understand that the airport supplies many much needed jobs to hard working individuals. Instead, your coalition is risking the paychecks of many individuals and instead fattening the billing schedules of area lawyers. Unfortunately the demand of the jet setters desiring to go into HTO is only increasing and with them comes millions of dollars that filter through the local economy and supply the ballooning tax revenue of the area.
the owl August 27, 2012 at 10:25 am
Millions of dollars in profits leave our area with the air charter and helicopter companies, most of which are not based locally. No, millions are NOT brought into this economy by that airport. But millions more may be spent to support it, especially after yesterday’s unfortunate accident there. Perhaps if the airport were properly managed and landing and other fees increased, in addition to costly fines for those breaking the "voluntary" curfews it would make enough money to support itself without asking for federal taxpayers to foot the bill through the FAA.
Why should local and federal taxpayers who do not use the airport foot the hefty bill so that a few wealthy people can fly in and out of EH airport ensuring residents' are unable to enjoy their properties throughout the summer period because of the racket their journeys cause? These wealthy fliers and those making money from noise and pollution care nothing about this community. The arrogance of airport supporters is evident in the many comments seen on Patch.com over this entire summer. Arrogant AND mean spirited. Let them pay for using the airport at a level commensurate with their egos.
SuzyScuba August 27, 2012 at 01:41 pm
S. Richardsn: The airport does NOT supply much needed jobs as you state. In fact it is but a few who benefit. "Jet setters" do not represent the community and do not suffer the noise pollution...if they insist upon using the airport let the traffic come along the south shore so the impact of noise is lessened for all and bring them up over Georgica directly into HTO. I know the facts as I've been following it closely for years.
S. Richardsn August 27, 2012 at 08:24 pm
Federal grants are supplied from the Federal Aviation fund. Tax dollars are raised from this fund from aviation related activities. Such as fuel purchase. Your regular tax dollars do not pay into the aviation fund unless you are utilizing aviation services. Grant money to airports is used to maintain and improve safety and economic development.
SuzyScuba August 27, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Our town has allocated funds specifically for the maintenance of the airport and can not be used for any other project. Parking fees for aircraft has been a problem with only a handful of pilots claiming they are EH residents. The others, several of whom are from out of state, should be paying far more than they do to use our airport. Grant money to our airport means grant assurances...loss of control of our airport and "economic development" is not what we want here. We are not looking to expand and increase growth of the airport but to maintain what we have...a small aircraft airport meant for hobbyists. If you believe otherwise, you have selected the wrong neighborhood for that. Caldwell and Barnstable/Hyannis Airports are what we do NOT want here...thank you.

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